Keith Olbermann On Prop 8

by HijabMan :: posted 19 November 08

“You don’t have to help it, you don’t have to applaud it, you don’t have to fight for it. Just don’t put it out. Just don’t extinguish it”

Purvis The Muslim at 19 November 08 :: #

Well put. I don’t think this should be a religious issue, just a civil rights one. How, indeed, does gay marriage hurt marriage?

How many of the supporters of Prop 8 have cheated on their spouses? Or simply taken their spouses for granted, or been unkind to them? THAT is what breaks down marriage, not when the gay couple down the street has the purely legal rights that married couples have.
Freckles at 19 November 08 :: #

I’d take the right wing nuts more seriously when they claim that gay marriage would destroy the sanctity of marriage if a bunch of right wing nuts hadn’t already destroyed the sanctity of marriage with their abuse, disrespect of women, and infidelity.

Outlawing gay marriage will never prevent people from being gay or gay people from loving each other, despite what some may think.
Fareed at 20 November 08 :: #

I’m glad there are other Muslims in America that agree with me on this issue. The whole gay marriage issue should simply be viewed as a civil rights issue instead of a religious one since we don’t live in a sharia state.
Phil at 21 November 08 :: #

To quote Sh Hamza on Homosexuality, in secular society, “There is no secular argument that can be made against gay marriage, but a religious one can most definitely be made”(something like that)

The easy solution is have civil unions for atheists and gays and then have religious marriages for religious people. Then each group can decide what constitutes a union/marriage and everyone is happy and no one is forcing others to live under their ideas.
raza at 21 November 08 :: #

and oppression of any minority is oppression for all. If you’re going to trample on one minorities rights and not stand up for them the natural progression of that is other minority rights being trampled on too.
Amnah at 23 November 08 :: #

Phil, in the United States, you must register your marriage civilly in order to receive the full benefit of the law when it comes to issues such as taxation, division of property, benefits and inheritance. You can get married religiously, but unless you head down to city hall and get a marriage license, in most states you will need to wait a full 7 years before your marriage is considered “common law”. Everyone deserves the right to a civil marriage, regardless of orientation or religion. Gay people in the united states have been getting married religiously for years. Many branches of Judaism allow for this sort of marriage (One of the best weddings I’ve ever attended was that of two Jewish (reform) lesbians, who had their ceremony performed under the tenants of reform judaism, at a synagogue, by a rabbi), and the Unitarians have been doing it for YEARS. Not all religious institutions frown on gay marriage. Gay people deserve the right to CIVIL MARRIAGE not Civil Union. There is a HUGE difference when it comes to issues of the law. This issue has nothing to do with God (or at least it shouldn’t).
Jeremy at 4 December 08 :: #

When in doubt: I’m going to choose the option that doesn’t oppress a minority. If Keith Olbermann is a little too serious for you, I just found a great video clip that puts similar arguments to music. :) Featuring Jack Black, Neal Patrick Harris, that girl from Scrubs, and other celebrities. I think posting links like this (Or Olbermann’s clip) on facebook and the like is the best way to gently/quietly emphasize to your friends, peers and colleagues what your views are.
Dawn at 7 December 08 :: #

Is this a Muslim site? Please say no. I found it on google looking for tees. As an American convert to Islam I’m disgusted at the fact that another Muslim would promote this. Its okay trying to be liberal and everything, heck I grew up in this society and did everything that any nonMuslim would do…good and bad… but I understand the need for balance in this society. However, certain things just cannot and should not be compromised. I’m from Pa, in which there was no voting on Prop 8. Had there been, I would have voted “NO”. Why? Because I’m a Muslim and voting for something that goes against my religion for the sake of liberalism is absurd. Yes I voted and voted for Obama as he was- IMO- the lesser of the two evils. McCain wasn’t that bad…but Palin was Satan. I’m not screaming on street corners “No on Prop 8”, or pouring money into it like the Mormons did but I’m not putting up videos promoting it either. May Allah forgive you. Not living in a Shari’ah state does not take away from your religious beliefs. You’re a Muslim wherever you live. Yes, under the US law they should be allowed to marry since there isn’t anything stating otherwise…but should you compromise your religious beliefs based on that? My best friend was gay and I loved him like a brother but did not (as a non Muslim- Christian) and still don’t condone his sexual preference. Do I hate him? No. I hope that he’ll be guided to Islam one day and I still respect him as a human being. But that doesn’t mean I have to play the good ole’ “everything is fine” act. And, no, stopping them from getting married doesn’t mean that they’ll stop existing, but that doesn’t mean “hey it’s ok…go pork your friend up his butt”. It goes against Islam/Christianity/Judiasm- not just Islam. Are you guys trying to be like the “liberal” Christians and Jews who condone this? Is this your definition of “being Muslim in America”? Allahul Musta’aan!
HijabMan at 7 December 08 :: #

Dawn,

I and many other American Muslims disagree with you.

And may God forgive you for your disrespectful tone. :-P
Purvis The Muslim at 8 December 08 :: #

On a related note, check out this excellent film:

http://www.linktv.org/onenation/films/view/321
Abu Ibrahim at 8 December 08 :: #

Thank you, thank you Dawn for renewing my faith in American Muslims. I was getting so depressed reading these drippy, degenerate, so-called progressive “Moslem” blogs.

May Allah reward you for standing up for the truth.

Like Rasulullah (peace and blessings be upon him) said: “Islam began as something strange and will return to being something strange, so give glad tidings to the strangers.”

It is sad and uplifting to know that true Islamic beliefs are now strange and uncommon in today’s world. In fact, basic Islamic beliefs such as the unlawfulness of homosexuality, are now strange to many Muslims.

I can only hope and pray that Allah protects me and my family and all sincere Muslims from the destructive and disgusting philosophy of these backwards “Moslems” who have sold their faith for an awful price.

May Allah curse those who seek to change His word. Ameen. Ameen. Ameen.

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